2021-02-09T19:58:09 <kling> so, i think the plt trampoline is only used for RTLD_LAZY
2021-02-09T19:58:26 <kling> so that'll be why you're not seeing any trouble with this
2021-02-09T19:58:34 <kling> since nothing in the system does lazy binding
2021-02-09T19:58:49 <thakis> oh good
2021-02-09T19:58:59 <thakis> but eventually we might want to do that?
2021-02-09T19:59:09 <kling> i think no
2021-02-09T19:59:35 <kling> but
2021-02-09T19:59:36 <thakis> oh jeez, poor https://github.com/plt
2021-02-09T19:59:56 <kling> i'm not sure we can get rid of the kernel exception
2021-02-09T20:00:17 <kling> if we decide to not support RTLD_LAZY and only allow RTLD_NOW, we still have to support text relocations
2021-02-09T20:00:32 <kling> just that they happen in a single pass during dynamic load, and not lazily during program execution
2021-02-09T20:00:38 <thakis> i wasn't sure either but then i looked at the pull request description and it says "The patch is obviously correct"
2021-02-09T20:01:03 <kling> so I think we can drop the trampoline from libc but keep the exception
2021-02-09T20:01:12 <thakis> in practice, you only end up with textrels if you write assembly that causes them (*cough* ffmpeg)
2021-02-09T20:01:22 <thakis> do you want to keep it for ports?
2021-02-09T20:01:32 <kling> nah let's lose it and deal with the pain
2021-02-09T20:01:42 <kling> ports should be a challenge :)
2021-02-09T20:01:54 <kling> (jk but only a little bit jk)
2021-02-09T20:01:58 <thakis> "if your port uses textrels, it likely uses other things that we don't want near serenity"
2021-02-09T20:02:07 <BenW> We really should start a "Quotes" page.
2021-02-09T20:02:41 <kling> "We really should start a \"Quotes\" page." -BenW (Apparently I said that once too often.)
2021-02-09T20:02:45 <thakis> :D
2021-02-09T20:03:09 <thakis> that shall be the only entry
2021-02-09T20:03:52 <vkoskiv> Whoa, a new update for Xquartz? I was not expecting this.
2021-02-09T20:04:25 <thakis> didn't they just update it like a week ago too?
2021-02-09T20:04:39 <vkoskiv> Could be that update, the window was hanging out in the background
2021-02-09T20:04:48 <vkoskiv> I just assumed it was abandonware already
2021-02-09T20:04:53 <thakis> iirc for the m1 macs
2021-02-09T20:05:38 <thakis> CxByte, https://oss-fuzz-build-logs.storage.googleapis.com/index.html#serenity
2021-02-09T20:06:07 <thakis> (click the red exclamation point)
2021-02-09T20:06:46 <thakis> BenW, i made you a quotes page: https://freenode.logbot.info/serenityos
2021-02-09T20:08:20 <BenW> kling: <3
2021-02-09T20:08:27 <BenW> thakis: ;)
2021-02-09T20:09:08 <kling> this channel has just the right amount of german humor
2021-02-09T20:09:20 <BenW> thakis: By that logic, here's a library of all book that have ever been written, are being written, will be written, or have never been written: https://libraryofbabel.info/book.cgi?60r1jttzwnkqp9y376mcecz43v7pb0t6hhmogwdz991b0z61fiqjfarbzpyt084tqbalnmhyz61sl5uhl0u4ycvje3pf4j0nxggo2gvmbewhviehnvi3br8l55mvskspccsh9ytiqbeb9olws4ku1dfyjx9ejhw49ye7gsdlj2s4uwxd6jtsvqrk29d03vu6jwb33sxc79q53hpdwf11nnjxbovoo2u1ex3v22q3ok5d3f99hik041ix4abudjt
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2021-02-09T20:09:34 <BenW> (I'm sorry, I noticed too late that the link is so long)
2021-02-09T20:09:49 <vkoskiv> Holy mother of trackers
See also all other quotes.